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Hey just looking for some advice.. My husband was diagnosed in Nov 2003 with cml. He has been on various tki's over this time. He alway has trouble tolerating the side effects which is why he has changed medication alot.

We live in the far north of Scotland and attend clinics in Raigmore Inverness. About 18 month ago we started to see a nurse specialist rather than a consultant. This worries me slightly. At the moment my husband is on Busotini 300mg daily but again is starting to not tolerate them. Today in clinic we asked if he could have a drug break or reduce the medication. We were told no because his bcr able is still detectable. It sits around the region of 0.005 with slight rises and dips. They said that it has to be 0.0000 to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Maria

Hi Maria, 

There's absolutely no need to wait until results are not detectable to reduce dose - never mind stopping altogether. If fact, as machinery becomes more advanced results that would once have been undetectable are now detectable so to hold off only on that basis doesn't make sense.

0.005% (assuming that is on the International Standard) is as near as makes no difference MR4.5, which is to say it's a deep response. It's an entirely appropriate time to consider reducing dose. For what it's worth, my results are at very similar levels and I am in the process of reducing my dose. Already down from 100mg to 70mg of dasatinib, with another reduction (hopefully) on the horizon in the next few weeks.

I imagine a specialist nurse will be much more cautious than a CML specialist consultant. However, that doesn't mean you should accept their answer particularly given your husband's tolerance issues. You could ask for "shared care" with a CML Centre of Excellence, where you would periodically see a haematologist who specialises in CML and would be able to make a much better informed, modern opinion. With excellent results like your husband has, he should not have to suffer when there ought to be avenues open to him to help.

Out of interest, do you know where his PCR tests are undertaken? For example if they were sent to Newcastle, that could be an option for specialist shared care.

David.

Hi David

Thanks for the reply. I just don't think that Robert is getting the best access to care at the moment. His blood goes to the university of Edinburgh to be tested for bcr abl levels. He used to have his bone marrow extracted every six months in clinic but thank goodness that doesn't happen now as it went to jelly like to be extracted.

Maria

Bloody hell! There's absolutely no need to 6 monthly bone marrow checks! I'm glad they've put a stop to that for him. With his results, there should be no need for any at all.

Glasgow has a leukaemia centre of excellent. I'm not aware of others in Scotland. Perhaps you could look into shared care there? 

Here's the contact detials: https://www.cmlsupport.org.uk/organisations/university-glasgow
 

David.

Thanks so much David will get onto this tomorrow

Maria

Maria, 

You might want to follow David's advice and contact Paul O'Gorman Centre Glasgow...

Prof. Mhairi Copland. 

Professor of Translational Haematology and  Honorary Consultant,
Director of the Paul O'Gorman Leukaemia Research Centre and Head of Experimental Haematology,
College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences, Institute of Cancer Sciences
University of Glasgow,
Gartnavel General Hospital,
1053 Great Western Road,
Glasgow G12 0ZD
Tel: 0141 301 7881 (Secretaries Diane/Angela 7880/7896)

Thanks Sandy

We are definitely going to go down this avenue

Maria

That’s great to hear, Maria. Keep us updated on how you get on. I hope all goes well for your husband and you. 

David.

We are from Campbetown but our main source is the New Victoria Hospital in Glasgow.  Our clinic specialist who is beyond belief wonderful works from clinic P there and our whole team of doctors work from that hospital as well.  The care has been wonderful.  Whenever Tim needs to be in hospital, then the team work out of the Queen Elizabeth Hospital also in Glasgow.  Funnily enough, all the BRC-ABL1 testing is done from London and we have never waited more than 2 weeks and 2 days for the results.  

All the best!

I started on Tasigna 600 mg/day 18 months ago. I had a series of very bad and very unusual side effects, so once I hit MMR (.1%), we began to reduce my dose, first to 450, then to 300 and finally to 150 mg/day about 6 months ago. My PCR continued to get better and have now been at <.003% or better for a year.  So, there is absolutely no reaSON WHY YOUR HUSBAND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO start reducing dose.  In my case, I had to be tested more often following dose reductions, which makes sense, but it was well worth it. 

Also, take a look at the Destiny trials which provide specific criteria for dose reduction - your husband meets those criteria I believe - good luck

Got word this morning that Robert is going drug free for a try. Also to stop us having to travel for 5 hours for a blood test, which will have to be done every four weeks our local medical center are going to be taking the blood samples and sending them off to Edinburgh. Keep your fingers crossed everyone and thanks for the support x

So Robert is trying cessation and not dose reduction? Whatever the case, please keep us informed. We'll be keeping our fingers crossed

Just got results of 1ST BCR-ABL since going drug free 6 weeks ago. Everything is looking good with the result being 0.002

Robert is feeling really tired and has a fair bit of bone pain but is loving not being on the busotinib

Maria